Sunday, December 2, 2007

Pink Truth; the conversation.

Recently Pink Truth posted a list of questions that, left unanswered, would cast the company in a negative light.

However, the answers to those questions tell a different story. Realizing that although Pink Truth (as the name implies) claims to provide the truth, they would not answer these obliquely negative questions in a straightforward manner (if at all) I took it upon myself to answer them here.

You can see my full post here.

In generating and explaining the necessity of that post, I went to the "rules and regulations" of Pink Truth. The rules had previously stated that "no comments contrary to their mission were allowed" or something similar. Upon looking for that statement (in the interest of full disclosure) I discovered a slightly different phrasing. It now reads:

"Comments that are openly hostile to our mission or our friends will not be allowed. Opposing viewpoints that are presented in a respectful fashion will be considered for publication, but may not necessarily be ultimately published."

As an adaptive individual, I felt that perhaps they were now genuinely interested in having those questions answered. Rather than assuming the worst about them, I once again gave them the benefit of the doubt and (selecting the most respectful answers) posted the following comment.

You have raised some interesting questions here. I have some answers. I don’t think that you will agree with me, but respectfully, I submit the following answers.


Why is it that one purchasing the highest dollar amount in products from the company is called “The Queen of Sales”?

It is assumed that products being purchased from the company are being resold. Why would anyone purchase product they had no intention of reselling or using?

Where are the billions per year that Mary Kay Corporate makes from their consultants going?

Have you ever run a business? There are a lot of expenses associated with running a corporation of this size. Where are the billions of dollars that Microsoft makes every year going? I can’t answer that, but why is it important to know that?

What is the motivation of Mary Kay Corporate or the upline to see that consultants sell the product they have already purchased?

If the consultant sells that product she will buy more. Then she will sell that and buy more. Then she will sell that and buy more. How is that not a better plan than a one time purchase? “What is good for the consultant is good for everyone” really makes sense if you just think about it.

Why is there recruiting? If the products are so great and undervalued as to make a 50% profit, why would anyone want to recruit when the product sold so well?

Why does anyone hire people? When you can make money (however much or little) on the effort of someone else it is usually worth while.

We recently bought an acre of property in WA State, built a house on it and sold it. I ‘recruited’ a realtor, a contractor, a painter, a landscaper and many others. They all got paid what they normally get paid and I made money for putting the whole thing together.

Why did I do it? I wanted to make money.

Similarly, when my wife recruits someone, they get paid for their effort. They buy the same product she does and sell it. Provided they sell it for more than their expenses, they are making money. How much they make will obviously vary widely, but they have the ability to make money. She (my wife) makes money based on how well they do. She keeps in close contact with all of her recruits and strives to make sure they are not buying products that are not selling.

People recruit because they are offered an opportunity to make MORE money. It is not a requirement.

Why are people who choose to quit Mary Kay called and begged not to or ridiculed for their decision to quit?

The script in question explains it like this:

“I did my first exit interview using this script (Below) last night with a $3600 inventory. We left each other on a VERY positive note. And while she is still deciding what she wants to do, she’s very strongly considering not sending product back. At the very least, she will leave Mary Kay knowing what a wonderful and caring company we are.”

They are not being begged not to quit or ridiculed. Some people actually care about the problems that others had and want to:
1.Make sure the problem can’t be resolved
2.Find ways to create a better experience for the next person
3.Avoid burning bridges. If someone just wants to take a break, they have options available to them.
4.Make sure that if they do want to quit for good, they recoup as much of their cost as possible.

How is Mary Kay enriching women’s lives…exactly? By providing a product that is needed/wanted?

Yes.

Thanks



This comment sparked some (I felt) good conversation. I was challenged on some of my assertions. I was questioned about specifics of my wife's involvement. All of which I attempted to answer as honestly and respectfully as possible.

Some even commented that they were glad I was "looking for real truth" as my sign in name implied.

By the time I woke up the next morning, I was banned from their site. Interestingly my comments were not deleted. Rather they were further challenged. Some of the questions posed were excellent questions and I would love to answer them. However, I will not be afforded that opportunity.

At 7:25 (5:25 pst) Tracy finally commented:

"While it is nice that "Looking" is supporting his wife, Pink Truth is not the forum for pro-MK people to promote their agendas. I also won't allow him to ridicule our mission or our members on this site."


It is now clear to me that their agenda is to brainwash women into thinking that Mary Kay is as evil as they say it is. I do not ridicule this agenda, I am simply against it. I do not ridicule the members of their site, but I don't agree with what they are doing.

I would be very interested to hear what definition of truth they use in claiming that truth is what they represent.

Ironically, for all their cries of, "Mary Kay is a cult because they won't let people say negative things about the company" is echoed more strongly in their banning of people who say anything contrary to their highly esteemed mission.

Initially my goal in creating this site was to present both sides of the story as a resource to people who were considering whether or not Mary Kay would be a good move for them. I have now added to that mission, "saving women from the cult that is Pink Truth". I am sorry to say that some very intelligent people are being led astray by a charismatic leader. Sound familiar? It should. Pink Truth is brainwashing people to the point that if you say anything positive about Mary Kay, you are not welcome in their community.

I did not promote a "pro MK agenda" as she calls it.

I did not ridicule their mission.

I did not ridicule their members.

I merely answered their questions and posed a few of my own. I challenged their mission. I questioned their staunch believe that Mary Kay is evil. I believe that truth (whatever your definition) requires considering ALL evidence available and discovering the truth based on that.

I have posted my first comment here. The next several posts will be the comments left in response to this comment and my responses to them. I am going to spread it out over several posts so that you, my loyal readers, can comment on individual items.

Please be honest with me. If you feel that I ridiculed their mission or their members, point it out to me. If you feel that I promoted any agenda other than "looking for the real truth" as they claim to, let me know!

If you are joining us from Pink Truth, welcome! Please feel free to jump right in. We believe here that there are problems inherent with Mary Kay. We seek to help people avoid falling into these potential errors and thereby improve their chances of succeeding. We believe that people can succeed in Mary Kay as evidenced by the fact that some do. We believe that some have misrepresented the opportunity to make it sound like success is guaranteed. We aim to warn people that success is not guaranteed.

Please share your experiences and observations if you are willing so that we can build on the foundation that has been developed. If you feel that no one can succeed in this business, you will have to explain why.

Thanks all

17 comments:

  1. Gee Dave, we both have so much in common. We’re both IBC husbands (or were) and we’ve both been banned or “poofed” from Mary Kay Cosmetics related blogs. Just as you do now, I once viewed MK as a gift from God. I guess the big differences between us are I’ve been kicked off more MK blogs than you for expressing my thoughts, I’ve got 5X or more MK experience then you, and I have a clear focus on the cult-like qualities associated with the “opportunity.” With time and your blossoming level of experiences and knowledge base, my guess is we’re going to have more and more in common as we go.

    Later.

    Blessed.

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  2. Blessed,

    What does your clear focus on the cult-like qualities associated with the "opportunity" tell you about the cult-like qualities of Pink Truth?

    Unlike Mary Kay where there are people admitting that there are problems, Pink Truth will not accept anything that contradicts their brainwashing agenda.

    Are you seriously suggesting that Mary Kay is a cult and Pink Truth is not.

    I suspect that some people have started a cult (or cults) based on Mary Kay. Much the same as people have started cults based on Christianity. I do not believe that Mary Kay IS a cult. I DO believe that Pink Truth IS a cult.

    Look at the signs blessed. You have told me that learning is not a bad thing. I understand how difficult it must have been for you to admit that you were wrong about Mary Kay. Will you be man enough to do it again? Can you admit that you are also wrong about Pink Truth?

    Your arrogance is what got you kicked off more MK blogs.

    Your arrogance (I’ve got 5X or more MK experience then you..) is still evident.

    I know it will be difficult to let go of a community where you are embraced, but do you really support everything that is said on that site?

    Do you really believe that it is impossible for people to succeed in Mary Kay?

    I suspect that you don't. When you are willing to admit that Pink Truth is even more unhealthy than Mary Kay was, I hope you know that I will support you in transitioning to a more balanced view of this "issue"

    As such, I agree that we will have more in common as we go. Just not the way you imagine it.

    Later.

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  3. This past summer a number of college kids were having a party in a high-rise hotel along a southern beach. One of the students, for whatever reason, fell off a sixth floor balcony to the ground below. I believe it is logical to assume this student was easily killed from such a fall, or at best, severely injured. Fact of the matter is (maybe you read about it), the kid stood up, brushed himself off and walked away.

    So there ya have it. Proof it is possible to fall out of a sixth story balcony, fall the six flights, and then get up and walk away. I’ve only heard of this happening one time but I have to assume that if someone survived such a fall one time, it could happen again or perhaps has already happened before.

    However, the strongest conclusion I can reach about the entire matter is regardless of your situation, falling off a sixth floor balcony is not a good idea and will most likely cause injury you and your family will most certainly regret.

    So yea, if I’m able to conclude people falling six flights to the ground can sometimes survive such a traumatic event, it stands to reason there have to be a few Mary Kay Consultants who can actually make some money pursuing the opportunity. But, even after acknowledging the possibility for success, I’d still recommend all stay away from the “opportunity” for fear of injury just like I’d encourage all to refrain from falling off of sixth floor balconies.

    Statistically (I presume), your chances just aren’t good.

    Blessed

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  4. Blessed, from reading, it would seem that you are just as starved for attention as your wife must have been while she was in MK. What really is amusing is you are now an expert and are going to save other women and yet you couldn't even help your own wife.
    Does your wife support PT the way you do?? Since you were so upset that she wasted so much time while in MK, isn't she upset that now that she is out- you are the one wasting time with MK? See the irony in this situation? I think you just like playing with all the girls.

    It seems like you find great pleasure in "stirring the pot" but not for good - just to cause trouble.

    I double dog dare you to have a comment added to the thread with David's comments on PT saying the reason he is not responding is because TC banned him. You say that you have been banned too, (I know for one ME's site) but she was open and everyone knew the reason you weren't commenting was because you were banned.

    Oops but then you would be banned from PT and you wouldn't get all the cudo's and praise for your "eloquent" writing. -gag-

    (Is "eloquent" the only word the PTer's know to use when commenting on a well writing article?)

    Sorry you believe that one can not be successful in Mary Kay w/o compromising any integrity. Sad that you have such a view of the human race. There are wonderful/honest people even in Mary Kay.

    You know what gets even better, if you read the stories on Banned (Duh's site) all the women defended TC, the way they use to defend Mary Kay. So TC really believes that MK prays on weakminded people and brainwashes them etc, then she is then even worse then MK because she takes people that have already been used and abused and uses and abuses them more under the pretense of helping them. Oh, yes, click on my ads, oh don't forget to put money in the tip jar. Because this site cost loads and loads of money to maintain. She doesn't want to help others, she just wants the money, to profit off of others, and then when they don't serve her needs any more, poof they are banned. It sounds like exactly what she says happens when a consultant quits. Guest she was faking her friendships just like she accuses all directors of doing. Wow, I guess they say it takes one to know one. What TC describes about MK is exactly the way she operates and this is just my humble opinion, not fact.

    You can't get much lower than hurting a person who is already trying to heal from another betray. How low can one go?

    Geez..

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  5. Blessed, from reading, it would seem that you are just as starved for attention as your wife must have been while she was in MK. What really is amusing is you are now an expert and are going to save other women and yet you couldn't even help your own wife.
    Does your wife support PT the way you do?? Since you were so upset that she wasted so much time while in MK, isn't she upset that now that she is out- you are the one wasting time with MK? See the irony in this situation? I think you just like playing with all the girls.

    It seems like you find great pleasure in "stirring the pot" but not for good - just to cause trouble.

    I double dog dare you to have a comment added to the thread with David's comments on PT saying the reason he is not responding is because TC banned him. You say that you have been banned too, (I know for one ME's site) but she was open and everyone knew the reason you weren't commenting was because you were banned.

    Oops but then you would be banned from PT and you wouldn't get all the cudo's and praise for your "eloquent" writing. -gag-

    (Is "eloquent" the only word the PTer's know to use when commenting on a well writing article?)

    Sorry you believe that one can not be successful in Mary Kay w/o compromising any integrity. Sad that you have such a view of the human race. There are wonderful/honest people even in Mary Kay.

    You know what gets even better, if you read the stories on Banned (Duh's site) all the women defended TC, the way they use to defend Mary Kay. So TC really believes that MK prays on weakminded people and brainwashes them etc, then she is then even worse then MK because she takes people that have already been used and abused and uses and abuses them more under the pretense of helping them. Oh, yes, click on my ads, oh don't forget to put money in the tip jar. Because this site cost loads and loads of money to maintain. She doesn't want to help others, she just wants the money, to profit off of others, and then when they don't serve her needs any more, poof they are banned. It sounds like exactly what she says happens when a consultant quits. Guest she was faking her friendships just like she accuses all directors of doing. Wow, I guess they say it takes one to know one. What TC describes about MK is exactly the way she operates and this is just my humble opinion, not fact.

    You can't get much lower than hurting a person who is already trying to heal from another betray. How low can one go?

    Geez..

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  6. Blessed,

    You make a good point.

    If Mary Kay had the same "survival rate" of people that fall from a 6 story building.

    However, that is not the case.

    Your story illustrates the importance of the newly added component of my mission. Namely, "saving women from the cult that is Pink Truth".

    Pink Truth would have you believe that joining Mary Kay is no different than jumping from a 6 story building (financially speaking). They will not allow anyone to "think outside" that box.

    If someone does, they get banned.

    Do you not see this?

    For the sake of argument, let's say you are right and I am wrong.

    Why would my questions and points get me banned?

    You know that Pink Truth is more of a cult than your experience with Mary Kay ever was. You just need to admit it.

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  7. Blessed,

    Anonymous said:

    "I double dog dare you to have a comment added to the thread with David's comments on PT saying the reason he is not responding is because TC banned him. You say that you have been banned too, (I know for one ME's site) but she was open and everyone knew the reason you weren't commenting was because you were banned.

    Oops but then you would be banned from PT and you wouldn't get all the cudo's and praise for your "eloquent" writing. -gag-"

    I agree. If you truly believe that Pink Truth is not a one-sided brainwashing operation that preys on people known to have already shown a weakness for this sort of thing, put your money where your mouth is (metaphorically speaking)

    Leave a comment on Pink Truth letting everyone know that the reason I am not responding to their questions is that I was banned.

    And not the B.S. line:

    "While it is nice that "Looking" is supporting his wife, Pink Truth is not the forum for pro-MK people to promote their agendas. I also won't allow him to ridicule our mission or our members on this site."

    Talk about vague "shunning".

    If you are really interested in presenting the truth, tell the good readers that I was BANNED. That I would respond to their questions if I were allowed to. That if they would like to have a CONVERSATION, they can find my site with a google search for the words, "balanced mary kay" and selecting the first link.

    Tell them that ALL points of view are welcome. Tell them that we are trying to create a solution over here.

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  8. blessed, the more I do read from you, may I say, you were okay to stand by and watch your wife, do all the things you say are done in Mary Kay (manipulating, lying, charging) to other consultants well she was obviously earning some good checks somewhere along the way seeing she was a senior director. Let's face it, that means at least one consultant in her unit donated at least $16,000 of production to her production during her diq phase.

    Of course, she did them because of the fog. So yes that excuses her lack of integrity. It is amazing that the only time you people start screaming oh I don't want to be a part of this company, so many things are wrong is when they stop seeing the $$$.

    You know, an interesting thought would be, maybe the reason the directors that do it right are still directors making money and the ones that want to cheat and use people may have gotten away with it for awhile but eventually "what goes around comes around" so when the bad catches up to them, then and only then do they scream sour grapes.

    PT = BS

    You do like playing games, love the way you wrote a note to david on PT when you knew he was banned and could not reply. Think your cute, don't you. PS Thought you might find it fascinating that people have even fallen off Niagra Falls and survived. Sounds more dramatic than your sixth floor story.

    Also, I want proof that the ratio of people making money in Mary Kay is the same ratio has the # of people who fall of the 6th floor of a being and survive.-I will anxiously await your results.

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  9. Anon,

    (please use the nickname feature when commenting so we can tell the difference between you an another anonymous commenter)

    Regarding the proof that the ratio is the same, I will save blessed the time and effort.

    He will tell you that statistics PROVE that 99% of people in MLM's lose money.

    He may even link to the document that PROVES it.

    I think that as this topic keeps coming up I will have to address this soon.

    Here is a hint. This "fact" is taken WAY out of context and does not apply to this conversation.

    Blessed, save your breath.

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  10. Those are some harsh words, Anon. We've been nicer here than some other blogs.

    I think the reason Blessed is so vehement about his and his wife's exerience is because he doesn't want others to go thru the same thing.

    I think as women we see things differently than men. David could sit and have lunch with a guy every day for however long and then when that lunch ends, he doesn't really think twice about it. Women are not the same. If we have lunch with someone everyday for just a month then we are usually very close. We know everything about that other person, husband, family, kids, job, likes, dislikes. We are attached emotionally in away that men aren't. My director would call me everyday and tell me how much she liked me and how much I meant to her. I thought she was a real friend. We'd have lunch together, coffee. The stuff women do. Until my second quarter and I didn't order. Then I remembered what she said," it's easier to give birth than raise the dead." I was dead in her eyes since I wasn't ordering. And, fine, don't talk to me about work. But is that ALL you have time for in MK? Can you not have a friend who is not in the business? And then I was hurt. And I think alot of females who leave MK and get shunned by the women who were their friends are so upset because the loss is emotional. So Blessed probably saw this in his wife along with the financial loss.

    The only reason I post on PT is to give my experience to others. Why would I not? I don't want someone else to go thru what I did. And when someone isn't listening, you tend to say the same thing only louder, like volume is the reason they don't listen. But until someone goes thru it they can not understand.

    I laughed out loud when Blessed called "Looking" Dave. Come on, we all knew who he was. Everyone who goes on PT is also looking at other sites. And you can bet the owner of PT knows who is on her site. I thought it was a good exchange. And Blessed knew David could respond on his own blog, and would! And he did! Quickly.

    Those out of MK know that some will succeed in this business. We also know that they will not succeed forever.

    And, Blessed, I thought your writing about your wife was, indeed, eloquent! I posted a comment on PT to that affect! My husband is a sweetie but can't string 2 words together, so reading another husband's words was priceless.

    David, love your site! Wish there was a way you could comment on PT. It stirred things up in a good way, like Blessed does here!

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  11. Those are some harsh words, Anon. We've been nicer here than some other blogs.

    I think the reason Blessed is so vehement about his and his wife's exerience is because he doesn't want others to go thru the same thing.

    I think as women we see things differently than men. David could sit and have lunch with a guy every day for however long and then when that lunch ends, he doesn't really think twice about it. Women are not the same. If we have lunch with someone everyday for just a month then we are usually very close. We know everything about that other person, husband, family, kids, job, likes, dislikes. We are attached emotionally in away that men aren't. My director would call me everyday and tell me how much she liked me and how much I meant to her. I thought she was a real friend. We'd have lunch together, coffee. The stuff women do. Until my second quarter and I didn't order. Then I remembered what she said," it's easier to give birth than raise the dead." I was dead in her eyes since I wasn't ordering. And, fine, don't talk to me about work. But is that ALL you have time for in MK? Can you not have a friend who is not in the business? And then I was hurt. And I think alot of females who leave MK and get shunned by the women who were their friends are so upset because the loss is emotional. So Blessed probably saw this in his wife along with the financial loss.

    The only reason I post on PT is to give my experience to others. Why would I not? I don't want someone else to go thru what I did. And when someone isn't listening, you tend to say the same thing only louder, like volume is the reason they don't listen. But until someone goes thru it they can not understand.

    I laughed out loud when Blessed called "Looking" Dave. Come on, we all knew who he was. Everyone who goes on PT is also looking at other sites. And you can bet the owner of PT knows who is on her site. I thought it was a good exchange. And Blessed knew David could respond on his own blog, and would! And he did! Quickly.

    Those out of MK know that some will succeed in this business. We also know that they will not succeed forever.

    And, Blessed, I thought your writing about your wife was, indeed, eloquent! I posted a comment on PT to that affect! My husband is a sweetie but can't string 2 words together, so reading another husband's words was priceless.

    David, love your site! Wish there was a way you could comment on PT. It stirred things up in a good way, like Blessed does here!

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  12. Judi,

    You raise some good points about the differences between men and women.
    I hope to deal with those soon.

    In brief, although women and men do think differently, there are some women that are capable of separating work contacts from personal contacts.

    I suspect your director was one of these. It is possible that she didn't ever view you as a personal contact. (I don't know, I wasn't there) More on that later.

    I am so very glad that you and blessed have found this site.

    Your ability to articulate the problems that you see with the company are an asset.

    You have to realize though (as evidenced by some questions that are STILL forming on PT that the majority of those reading and posting there will not take the time to find me.

    Blessed did not say that on PT in hopes that I would respond here.

    If he wanted people on PT to hear the answer he would (as we have 'dared' him to) tell people the real reason I did not answer on PT and where to find me.

    He is not interested in that. He is so convinced that I am wrong and not worth listening to that he is willing to stoop to a level of deceit known as omission. By not telling people, "looking is not responding here because he has been banned, if you want answers to these questions, visit his site, he is lying by virtue of omission.

    If you look at the many times on this site that I have asked him a direct question that he has avoided, or rebutted with an off topic ridicule, you will see that he is not really interested in seeing the truth. He believes that he has the truth and plans on spreading it.

    As such, he will not get the protection on this site that you and everyone else enjoys.

    I still reserve the right to delete abusive language, but if someone "calls him out" I will not stop them.

    Consider this.

    He had plenty of time to compose his story about the 6 story building, but has not had the decency to tell his story here.

    I have been asking him to do that for a few weeks now.

    I view blessed as little more than a spammer that is blindly following what I now believe to be a cult.

    If he is willing to engage in conversation he is welcome.

    If people point out his hypocrisy, I don't really consider that too harsh. It needs to be said.

    I would expect the same thing from you about me. If I said one thing but one day and something completely different elsewhere, or later, I would want you to point it out.

    Thanks

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  13. You all know by now that it is typical of blessed to use some ridiculous comparison to describe how he feels about this business. We all know that falling six flights without injury and being successful in marykay do not hold the same odds. It is so far fetched it cannot even be taken serious.

    You are a good man dave to even continue to let him post.

    I share your sentiments in that I believe his arrogance is his downfall, and that is why many of us thought blessed was really tracy at some point, because her arrogance is off the chart as well. Both are not willing to see another side of things or accept that things can be different in marykay for other people.

    Blessed analogies (spelling) are always flawed because they never take into consideration the many variables that enter into it. For instance, how do you even measure success? It varies from person to person.

    I guess he will never change, and neither will Tracy. Who cares if they dont. I am still gonna sell product while they continue to try to keep folks away from this company.

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  14. I work in an office setting for 15 years - 10 in one company, 5 in another. The first company employed over 1000 people many I spoke with daily and went out to lunch with and even Company functions and parties - on occassion our company would offer weekend bus trips for very good prices. Many of us did all these things together. I spent time with alot of the same people but if it hadn't been for the work connections they were not people I would have had in my life otherwise. There is a big difference between an acquaintance and a friend. And too many get them confused. If you truly think about it, you will know alot of people but how many do you honestly know you could call in your darkest times? It is only your true friends and the number is usually very small.

    Second company, I did have two very great friends. 12 years later after leaving to do Mary Kay full time, they are still my very good friends. I use to see them Monday - Friday, every day. Now, all of us have left that company and all of us have moved putting more distance between us but they are still my good friends. I sometimes only see them twice a year because life gets busy. I love them both. One uses MK, one does not. I don't love one more than the other - I don't see one more than the other. (I mail my one friend her products) and she usually orders by email.

    A business relationship doesn't make people friends. (I will admit that I am sure there are directors that "use" the I am your best friend approach. And that shouldn't be done but like anything else, you will have people that take advantage of anything.

    I have had consultants in my unit that have left and are still my friends - we will do lunch or go shopping because we became friends. I also have people that have left, that I wouldn't have been friends with b4 MK and without the MK have absolutely nothing in common with them so if there is no longer anything in common, should I continue to contact them?

    I think it is funny how the complaint (on PT is) my director called me all the time, I would avoid her phone calls, I never got trained,she is so fake, but after you quit, now they want to hear from her. After you quit, if you weren't friends b4 MK and didn't become friends during MK, why would she call you after MK?

    Besides the phone does ring both ways. If you had been friends and the consultant quit, maybe the director is feeling she let the consultant down or feels the consultant is angry with her and is afraid to call her. (I can only speak for myself here but there was one time that I thought one of my friends was upset with me - when we finally did talk, I sent her an "I miss you card" it turned out, she felt like she had let me down and I felt maybe I had let her down. What we found out was she just didn't like doing the classes. So what, she is still my friend, I could care less if she is a consultant or not and like she said, "I never would have known if I hadn't tried, so at least now I know. " Why can't the onsultant call her friend the director and say "hey, what's up??

    If everyone would just separate personal and business and sit back and think about it, (yes, more like the way man handle things
    emotionally) - (okay men, don't get too haughty that this statement is in print, it is just mho not fact - haha - things would be much better.

    My hubby and I joke constantly that "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus and I must be from Pluto because I am so different than the typical woman.

    I get no commission on this statement but if you have never read the book "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, it is a wonderful read and actually helps you as an individual realize what areas you can work on to become a better "you"

    david, thank you for the balance you provide - I too believe there are things that indivuals should not do in Mary Kay but with sites like this maybe some will see these behaviors and realize they are guilty of them and then change their behavior.

    The actual business model does work, the concept does work, the problem is we are working with imperfect people!

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  15. mk4me, foreverpink,

    thanks so much for bringing your perspective to this.

    You have both said things that I wished I could have put into "so many words".

    Foreverpink, Keep selling, and don't let anyone's negativity get in your way!

    mk4me,

    EXACTLY --- Thank you.

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  16. Speaking the Real TruthDecember 5, 2007 at 2:11 PM

    I have over a decade of experience in Mary Kay Cosmetics. I MAKE money in my business every month. I drive FREE, no co payment. I am ethical and hard working.

    At my meeting this week I personally had sold over $1000, another consultant $1300, and two others over $800, and those are results from one unit.

    This product sells, and if you are the one selling it, you make money. You have control over your expenses and your time.

    As to the PTers not thinking that the Mineral Foundation will be a hit, I've already sold 6 and have a consultant who has sold 6 as well and she cannot even order it yet.

    For every "horror" story in Mary Kay, there are many success stories. And success is defined by the individual, a lot of women in the business only want to earn a few extra dollars per month. Plus, when you dissect some of these "horror" stories, you will see why things did not go well for that individual. Just read some of the stories on PT and if you know much about Mary Kay you will spot the problems immediately.

    If a woman has good ethics and character outside of Mary Kay, then she should just apply those same principles as a consultant or director. If she doesn't, is that Mary Kay's fault?

    For the husbands, mine loves my business. We pay bills based on my income. He loves that I can make money while being the anchor for our home. Too many homes are missing an anchor these days and it shows in our society. No where else could I make the money that I make to be at home. I work with and around my family, and I have no housekeeper, no yard boy, no office help and no nanny or sitter. And should you think I'm not successful in Mary Kay, I've just earned my 8th Mary Kay car, completing qualifications 6 weeks early (thank you Lord!)

    Just my two cents. I just want the REAL TRUTH to be available to anyone looking for it. Sure, Mary Kay is not perfect, but what is?

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