I have reposted the majority of her comment here (with my responses bold and in italics).
I would love for everyone to get involved with this discussion as many of the things brought up here are important to our discussion of Mary Kay.
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Unfortunately, you ladies are in truly in the pink vortex.
There truly is NO way to do MK in the "right way."
The system is broken.
What does “pink vortex” mean? Are you telling us that the above “facts” are SO well established that anyone who believes you CAN do MK with ethics is in a vortex of ignorance?
Yes, old school training is to book, sell, recruit - working "full circle."
How well is that working for you really?
Are women calling you begging to hold skincare classes? Hmm?
Here is where some “pro-mkers” have the tendency to want to call “anti-mkers” lazy. You can’t expect women to call YOU begging for anything… it doesn’t work that way. YOU have to call them… lots of them! If someone told you that they would call you… I am sorry to say… they lied to you. No one on this site has said that this is easy (too my knowledge!)
Are you having $1000 weeks on a consistent basis? Making $400 profit with the 60/40 split?
or are you plowing all "profits" back into the MK business either attempting to pay off a credit card or purchasing even MORE inventory?
I will let the consultants answer these questions individually and not speak for the group but I will point out that everyone will have different goals in mind. For some “plowing profits” into their business is good. (I am NOT advocating debt though)
Even if you build up your selling business, you will at some point be encouraged by your Director, Sr. Director, or NSD to gouge your sales, but recruiting your best customers.
You will be encouraged to become a Red Jacket, Team Leader, on-target for DIQ, etc.
These things are all good… but you are making them sound bad. Care to elaborate?
The ONLY way you will move up in the company is recruit and frontload.
Simply not true. Recruit yes. Frontload no. In fact, I think frontloading is the quickest “ticket” to failure in Mary Kay.
HUGE thousands in "Production" is a requirement to move up and "win a free car" (with a co-pay by the way).
Achieving new levels and EARNING a free car are awarded when you are making the company money. If it didn’t require HUGE production it would be kind of pointless… don’t you think?
It has nothing to do with SALES, MK rewards women because of product ordered by them or their team members.
The intent is still for you to SELL. It is illogical to me how someone would decide to pay for thousands of dollars of product they have no intention of selling just to earn something that MAY be worth a few hundred dollars. Nonetheless, the fact that some people do/have done this does not mean that it was ever the company’s intention. MK (like most product based companies) offers its distributors awards based on the inventory ordered. Trying to “cheat” a company the way you are describing does not make sense for anyone. The company should not be held culpable for this sort of imprudence.
You WILL learn to frontload - but you will be told that you're setting the women up for success with a full store.
Again – ticket to failure. Hopefully no one on this site is doing this or will “learn” to ever.
Hmm... Are you really?
No, frontloading is not setting women up for success.
MK is all about greed. It's a Pink Cult of greed and until you ladies realize that, you're caught up in the lie.
Is it POSSIBLE that the MK you experienced and witnessed is a small part of a picture that if seen in its completeness turned out to be different than what you have seen?
Most people on this site have come to terms with the fact that their experience (good or bad) may or may not be the TYPICAL experience. Can you at least acknowledge that possibility with your experience?
You'll find out soon enough when you stop ordering excessive product that is not immediately needed, just to reach a star level order - that you hear from your Director much less often.
If you are not regularly producing for any company what purpose would they have to stay in constant touch with you? Do you want them to call you to chat? This IS a business. Can you imagine the district supervisor of distribution for (say) Pepsi daily or monthly calling a distributor that orders once a quarter? Not likely.
If you stop ordering for a few months, be prepared for a guilt trip that you're not being a team player.
This is being discussed here
Then, either the pink friendship fade-out will occur, or you will get kicked to the curb with thier "required close-toed shoe."
Sorry to hear that excuses needed to be made. This doesn’t really make sense to me…perhaps because I am a guy! If you were not producing I would have one conversation about it with you. Are you done? Yes, okay… thanks for everything, call if you need anything down the road. No, okay… what do we need to get you back “in the game”. I see no reason to make excuses for why I am not calling you.
They will step over you and say, "NEXT."
Why shouldn’t they? Again, it is a business.
If you think my "NEXT" comment is too harsh, have you listed to Pam Shaws cassettes? Or the offical MK DIQ training cassette from early 2000, where they talk about MK being a "numbers game afterall."
Why is this “harsh”? All sales jobs/occupations boil down to a numbers game. That is the nature of sales. Mary Kay is unique in that it allows for “half hearted distributors” OR Personal Use Consultants to get a discount. They don’t have to do that. If you fall into this category (NOT operating a BUSINESS style operation) how much time do you expect someone that IS trying to operate a profitable business to spend on you?
I pray for all of you that you get out now, while your family finances don't take more of a hit -
and you can save your marriage from the distruction that has happed to SO many in Mary Kay.
Just listen to the NSD I-stories and see how many women are married to their original husbands. It's quite telling...
I will continue to pray for you. I'm not "being negative" although you will probably label me as such.
Why would you take the energy to point out that you are “not being negative” immediately after making three negative statements? It seems that you want to make negative generalizations but not back them up with facts. How many (percentage) NSDs are married to their original husbands? Do you know? How many (percentage) of those who have been involved with MK had their family finances devastated as a result of MK? Do you know?
I'm just speaking the truth about this MK business with a BIG warning to you all.
Considering everything you said… I am left asking, “Of what ‘truth’ are you speaking?” I really didn’t see anything in that long comment that could be construed as TRUTH based on any of the definitions of truth that I am aware of. Please elaborate.
Ok, enough from us... Thank you for your candor Dana.
What do some of those IN Mary Kay think about this?