tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post2239386286462171843..comments2023-10-14T05:42:23.964-07:00Comments on The Truth About Mary Kay: Inquiring Minds?Jon Bironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-56943431631512020792009-05-28T18:51:31.137-07:002009-05-28T18:51:31.137-07:00Just my two cents, Sherrill Steinmann is one of th...Just my two cents, Sherrill Steinmann is one of the old school MK directors and used to own a florist business and she is from Michigan. She was always a top director and preached the ways of Mary Kay Ash. I dont know how she is now but in the day she didnt preach tons of recruiting she preached sales from what I remember I have some of her tapes from the late 80s early 90s and she was great with baskets. Unless she has changed I dont see what she teaches as being a problem.Colleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06295682530661936437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-5164401058369988582009-05-28T16:09:37.800-07:002009-05-28T16:09:37.800-07:00Mkfme,
My wife’s director was Sherril Steinman.
...Mkfme,<br /><br />My wife’s director was Sherril Steinman.<br /><br />Dave,<br /><br />A SC/NC meet up, sure. Who knows? You ever find yourself in North or South Carolina?<br /><br />BlessedBlessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-30211100955415668972009-05-27T15:10:04.610-07:002009-05-27T15:10:04.610-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Johnnie Cadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15357805552145909446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-28368745867622258672009-05-27T12:20:46.163-07:002009-05-27T12:20:46.163-07:00? 4 blessed- if you are not comfortable answering,...? 4 blessed- if you are not comfortable answering, that is okay by me, but if you wouldn't mind sharing, what Seminar division was your wife a part of? I will not voice my opinion ahead of time because I do not want to influence any discussion on this (possible future) topic, but I have found, it seems that one division seems to have more "stuff" going on than the other four. So my curiousty is up? <br /><br />If you reply- thank you. I would not want you to share more than that to safe guard your anon. status.mk4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14992824203382935206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-16090416794734799352009-05-27T06:19:53.353-07:002009-05-27T06:19:53.353-07:00I'm in NC!I'm in NC!Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05501193997219416369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-67570847062234820292009-05-26T20:38:05.989-07:002009-05-26T20:38:05.989-07:00"in" in fact... is that perhaps a hint at your loc..."in" in fact... is that perhaps a hint at your location and the possibility of a SC/NC meet up?Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-90107976725322289112009-05-26T19:21:28.917-07:002009-05-26T19:21:28.917-07:00So, Dave, do ya ever find yourself in or near the ...So, Dave, do ya ever find yourself in or near the Carolinas on the east coast or are you strictly a "left sider"?<br /><br />BlessedBlessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-45324842036397865862009-05-26T19:18:58.964-07:002009-05-26T19:18:58.964-07:00Dave,
I believe you’ve made that as clear as you’...Dave,<br /><br />I believe you’ve made that as clear as you’re gonna make it. Thanks for taking the time to reply. <br /><br />BlessedBlessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-60528122664538709062009-05-26T18:58:11.624-07:002009-05-26T18:58:11.624-07:00Blessed,
No, absolutely not. I never make a reco...Blessed,<br /><br />No, absolutely not. I never make a recommendation one way or another about decisions of this sort.<br /><br />I always recommend that someone find out as much as they possibly can about the risk of an endeavor as compared to their personal situation. (I.E., mother of 5 should find out as much as she can about how other mothers of 5 have made out with trying to home school as opposed to how a mother of one made out with the same endeavor)<br /><br />From there, it is THEIR personal decision to make. I, myself, have decided to not be a part of any MLM. I have tried and found that they do not fit me well. It is not a good match for me. I will tell people that without a moments hesitation. However, that is MY decision based on MY circumstances. I will not demonize something - and will in fact strongly resist anyone who does - just because it was/is not a fit for certain personalities or situations.<br /><br />Imagine if I were to tell an aspiring athlete not to attempt to become a professional athlete because of the risk of exposure to the humiliation of not making it into the extremely small minority of people that "arrive" at that goal?<br /><br />I simply do not see it as my place to do that.<br /><br />I of course always counsel good common sense... "Don't quit your day job" is always an apt piece of advice for anyone entering a field that does not have a guarantee. <br /><br />But recommend that someone pass up an opportunity because there is a risk involved? Never.<br /><br />Miranda,<br /><br />Thanks for that clarification!!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-33913503510680960272009-05-26T16:33:08.112-07:002009-05-26T16:33:08.112-07:00Dave, if you think the driver is high, there are 2...Dave, if you think the driver is high, there are 2 things to check...<br /><br />1. going way under the speed limit, and<br />2. (of course) weaving. <br /><br />People who are stoned tend to slow their cars to a crawl, have trouble judging distances, and get easily distracted. I can usually pick them out easily and distinguish them from the drunks (whose driving is more erratic and often not as slow/overly cautious as that of the stoner.) <br /><br />Why do I know this crap? Well, not all people of my acquaintance are as conscientious as I am on the road!Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05501193997219416369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-81923074222036076992009-05-26T11:10:42.243-07:002009-05-26T11:10:42.243-07:00Sometimes I think you employ nuanced diversion the...Sometimes I think you employ nuanced diversion the way Michael Jordan use to play basketball. A pleasure to watch.<br /><br />Of course we are all dysfunctional to some extent. All businesses, all entities are dysfunctional to some limited degree. You already know that’s not what I was referring to.<br /><br />Let me try again.<br /><br />***<br /><br />If the MK MLM produced a sufficient enough number of former IBCs who’d had negative experiences with MK, could you, Dave, conclude the MK MLM itself is dysfunctional to a point where you’d recommend to the average woman considering the opportunity she should avoid MK because it is systemically dysfunctional to a degree that her risk for a negative outcome is too high?Blessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-4755763230566067472009-05-26T10:25:08.779-07:002009-05-26T10:25:08.779-07:00I have already answered this many, many times.
I ...I have already answered this many, many times.<br /><br />I have already concluded that Mary Kay not only "may" be dysfunctional, but, as a matter of natural course, already "is" dysfunctional to a point.<br /><br />All companies battle some level of dysfunction. I challenge you to think of even just one company that does not have people coming away from their "experience" with said company, tainted, in some way.<br /><br />To borrow your habit of comparing unrelated things to one another, consider the phrase "going postal". Pink Truth, many of its adherents, and you have in common that you are "going postal" with the exception that, to date, (as far as I know) no actual massacres have taken place.<br /><br />Is the USPS flawed? Of course. Does it need patches, corrections, and possibly a top to bottom overhaul? No doubt. Does that justify people trying to "bring it down in a glorious plume of smoke"? Absolutely not.<br /><br />In the same way, I (and most of the readers on this blog) have never intended to promote the idea that Mary Kay is perfect. To my knowledge, I have never said anything that would even imply that I felt that way.<br /><br />What you would like for me to say is that it is flawed (or dysfunctional) beyond repair. What the "Mary Kay is god" extremists would like me to say is that Mary Kay is beyond criticism... it is inherently perfect.<br /><br />I can not imagine a situation where I will adhere to either of these points of view. Primarily because they are laughable at best and destructive at worst.<br /><br />Is there dysfunction in Mary Kay? Of course.<br /><br />Do I believe that the majority of the people "in charge" at Mary Kay are doing their best to fix it? Yes, I do.<br /><br />Do I feel that it is my job to try to bring these things to their attention? Nope.<br /><br />Do I feel it is my role to entertain your fantasies and try to placate your rantings? Nope.<br /><br />As I said, you are entitled to your extreme analogies. But I am not obligated to fuel them by trying to explain how wildly off base they are.Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-87272313007462812322009-05-26T10:09:40.783-07:002009-05-26T10:09:40.783-07:00Well thank you!!!! Gosh, ya mean I finally got it...Well thank you!!!! Gosh, ya mean I finally got it right? ...Hold a second while I mark this date on my calendar... ;-)<br /><br />Ok then, if I’m coming in line, maybe you too could be courteous enough to at least answer a question you kind of avoided.<br /><br />***<br /><br />If the MK MLM produced a sufficient enough number of former IBCs who’d had negative experiences with MK, could you Dave conclude the MK MLM itself might be dysfunctional?Blessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-3359750157221370732009-05-26T08:32:38.569-07:002009-05-26T08:32:38.569-07:00Interesting question. One of the first things tha...Interesting question. One of the first things that pops into my mind is something called co-dependency. This is a phenomena which originated largely as a description of how family members of alcoholics (and other disorders) can inadvertently (and occasionally purposely) enable and promote family dysfunction. The vernacular has expanded to allow use of this term as a descriptor of people or groups who, with usually good intentions, enable a dysfunctional system. This can be a complicated topic; you may want do a Google query on “co-dependency.”<br /><br />Another though is participation in cult activity. Many reportedly thought they would not ultimately become victims when they freely joined the Peoples Temple and followed Jim Jones to their mass death in Guyana, during late 1978. Over 900 people became victims of an activity in which they “volunteered” to participate. Maybe you recall, they all committed mass suicide by drinking Kool-Aid laced with poison. Clearly, these folks were victims of an activity in which they volunteered to participate. By the way, from this tragedy came the often used metaphor, “drinking the Kool-Aid,” a phrase frequently used to describe IBCs who’ve become deeply enmeshed in the Mary Kay Cosmetics MLM “pink fog.” <br /><br />Prostitution is another example of an activity one joins and ultimately, very often, ends up a victim. It is very often intertwined with the drug use and other illegal activity (i.e., organized crime), as is (I believe), pornography. <br /><br />All this having been said, let me also say I am a champion of free personal choice. My hope is more will learn about (and I believe more are) the inherent dangers involved in the Mary Kay Cosmetics MLM. This will enable better informed free choices. The MK MLM is, I believe, clearly, systemically dysfunctional. The vast majority who enter this MLM ultimately exit financially injured or less whole in some other way (I believe anecdotal evidence clearly supports this conclusion). Although some at the top of the pyramid do well financially, for most the best way to win at the Mary Kay MLM is to not play this silly game at all. I hope I’ve answered your question Mk4me. If I’ve not, please let me know more specifically how I can answer.Blessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-2124180873798847282009-05-25T20:48:08.388-07:002009-05-25T20:48:08.388-07:00Blessed - quick question -If you are a willing par...Blessed - quick question -If you are a willing participate (perhaps even enjoying the activity) how can you also be a victim simotaneously?mk4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03668678358312801419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-568957735350303682009-05-25T20:25:09.743-07:002009-05-25T20:25:09.743-07:00Wow, what a great weekend with my family. I hope ...Wow, what a great weekend with my family. I hope ya’ll (Dave, Mk4me, etc.,) had a great holiday weekend too.<br /><br />So Dave, my work may take me to your area again in the coming months. Any interest in getting together to do the “buy ya a Coke” type thing?<br /><br />BlessedBlessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-86684130727413724232009-05-25T16:08:05.208-07:002009-05-25T16:08:05.208-07:00As for the stop/go lights (hee/hee) at intersectio...As for the stop/go lights (hee/hee) at intersections, I am sure that before a decisions was made there would be a survey done and see what the number of accidents were at other intersections near the one in questions. If one intersection had 5 in a month, and another one had 3 and another one had 4 but this particular one had 30, it would seem like a sound decision based on the study. <br /><br />I believe these stop lights exist in Mk. It is called a contract/agreement that one must sign before becoming a consultant (a legally binding) agreement. There also terms and conditions on the order form/page. <br /><br />I see these as "lights". As Dave mentioned I see our legal dept, Corp,and customer service - our yellow lights. If we see or experience someone doing something wrong... these instances need to be reported to MK. MK does investigate issues. I have heard of a new director that when Corporate audited the new unit members found out that some of them did not use there own money.<br />This is against the rules in diq...(after you agree to follow the rules of diq) they did not remain a unit. The consultant had to go back thru diq again. <br /><br />Last year I know the Company terminated over 900 agreements for illegal activity. This is good. <br />See, corny as i may sound.... if we all played by and obeyed the same rules, think of how wonderful things would be.<br /><br />(still shaking ahead about insect to zapper comment) ;)mk4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14992824203382935206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-76154901321687963822009-05-25T08:36:50.451-07:002009-05-25T08:36:50.451-07:00Blessed,
I will answer both of your inquiries at ...Blessed,<br /><br />I will answer both of your inquiries at once as they, more or less, answer themselves.<br /><br />You asked about me referring to your ravings as BS, and you asked about when the "Mary Kay 'churn and burn'" would go from being considered "individual" to being "systemic".<br /><br />You did a fantastic job of describing the difference between individual and systemic problems at traffic lights. You did an excellent job of describing the same difference regarding credit card problems.<br /><br />But then you just tack Mary Kay on to these descriptions with little more effort than using the same words (as well as a few cleverly borrowed pink truth words) and then ask the readers of this site to do what you, apparently, have not yet been able to do. Namely, provide the connection of the concept to Mary Kay. Or, at the very least, provide a description of the victimization you allege being at or near systemic.<br /><br />I have no expectation that you will actually answer that, but even if you did, you fail to recognize that this is not the place to hold such conversations. The people that put measures in place to prevent unethical behavior from being perpetrated in Mary Kay (your "traffic lights" if you will) are not commentators on this blog.<br /><br />In your (more descriptive) illustration of traffic light decision making, you speak of the municipality, the officers that make accident reports and write citations, etc. Mary Kay has these as well. (As do most large companies) They have a legal team, a complaint line, customer service departments, etc.<br /><br />If I ran a blog about my town, and someone came on my blog and insisted they I tell them what percentage of "intersection victims" justified labeling a certain intersection "systemic" I would have the same response to that person that I have with you.<br /><br />There are other avenues to attempt to bring about change. This is not it.<br /><br />This blog is not designed to be Mary Kay's risk management tool. I (and I believe most of my readers) do not believe we are here to declare what sort of tolerances Mary Kay should initiate.<br /><br />The fact that you, time and time again, refuse to recognize the intent of this blog and instead insist on trying to push your agenda on the readers and commentators is what causes me to say that your efforts here are BS. It may be very eloquent BS, it may be very deep and insightful (in someones eyes) BS, but it is still BS.<br /><br />In the words of the late Chris Farley, "Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of s***. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I've got spare time."Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-87061695114714441952009-05-24T19:53:27.800-07:002009-05-24T19:53:27.800-07:00(continued from above)
Although the parallels are...(continued from above)<br /><br />Although the parallels are apparent, I don’t seek to solicit in this post input citing the similarities/differences between Mary Kay Cosmetics and credit card companies. I’m also not trying to advocate governmental intervention in the MK MLM fiasco (these are conversations apart from the illustration I’m attempting to present). You’ve read this far, stay with me. I’m getting there.<br /><br />Regardless of whether it was drivers who couldn’t consistently come to a complete stop at a stop sign and look both ways before proceeding or credit card users who failed to read the small print and/or manage their finances wisely, there came a point when it was determined systemic change was necessary to address what had become systemic dysfunction. Things got so bad the system had to be changed. Now here’s an important thing to remember, the new traffic light wasn’t installed after only one or two accidents. New credit card company regulations weren’t initiated after only a few individual bankruptcies, etc. There was, historically, a level of causalities in both these scenarios which was at one time acceptable. It was not until the volume of causalities exceeded an acceptable level that systemic change was initiated to correct the dysfunction. <br /><br />I assume you’re not a decision maker regarding placement of traffic lights or a government official involved in legislation of regulations. You are, however, from what I’ve read, a compassionate, caring, intelligent individual. I’m not asking when you believe regulations should be enacted to curb the abuses in Mary Kay Cosmetics. I’m not asking what anyone should do to correct the problem. All I’m seeking is your informed opinion about when it is the MK MLM problem moves from an individual to a systemic problem. You’ve already indicated you’ve seen victimization in Mary Kay. Ya know, it could be your opinion that the problem with Mary Kay today is solely attributable to poor behavior by individuals; that’s not what I’m asking, though. What I’m asking is, if it is a problem attributable to a number of individuals, at what point does the problem become systemic?<br /><br />Many say the vast majority, who become involved in the MK MLM leave the venture injured (financially, etc,). Maybe you believe otherwise, perhaps only 30% fail. Please know, though, I’m not asking your opinion about how many actually get churned and burned by the dream. <br /><br />What I’m asking here is (and thank you for staying with me this long)…<br /><br />How many Mary Kay IBC Failures would it take to prompt you to decide this is no longer solely an issue regarding individual shortcomings, but rather a systemic issue? In other words, what’s must the annual churn and burn rate be for MK MLM IBCs before you, Mk4me, conclude there may be a problem with the MK MLM paradigm (a systemic problem)? <br /><br />…40%, 60%, 80%, 99%? When do you conclude it’s not so much the IBCs, but the MK MLM itself that is inherently dangerous (systemically dysfunctional)? <br /><br />BlessedBlessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-67238056559996035182009-05-24T19:52:50.447-07:002009-05-24T19:52:50.447-07:00Mk4me,
You make some interesting points. First o...Mk4me,<br /><br />You make some interesting points. First of all, please know I’m not suggesting you or anyone else’s brain is the size of an insect’s brain… ;-)<br /><br />Also, I believe pornography does indeed exploit women. Just because there is a victim choice to participate, the possibility of exploitation is not eliminated.<br /><br />The concept I’ve attempted to convey on a number of occasions is that of individual verses systemic dysfunction. They are not mutually exclusive. They often, I believe, coexist.<br /><br />Consider your local municipality street department and their decision making process to determine where to place traffic lights. The municipality counts the number of accidents at an intersection. This number, combined with the number of complaints about the safety of the intersection, etc., will control whether the municipality will spend the funds to install a traffic light. This just happened down the street at an intersection near where I live. I’ve never had an accident there. Although I’ve heard of (and seen) accidents there, I’m convinced if people would just follow the rules of the road, there would be no casualties. Yet, a decision was made to install a traffic light because the number of injuries had reached an unacceptable level. This is a situation in which dysfunction could no longer be blamed solely on individuals alone (drivers); it reached a point where the intersection itself became too dysfunctional (systemic dysfunction). The point: there are occasions when systemic dysfunction is recognized and correction of individual dysfunction is no longer the sole point of focus. Or, in other words, there comes a time when police stop only writing traffic citations and accident reports (to address individual dysfunction) and additional corrective measures are implemented to address systemic dysfunction (install a damn traffic light!). <br /><br />it’s not difficult to think of other examples of problem resolution targeting institutional dysfunction through systemic change rather than merely targeting individual dysfunction . Consider the bill recently signed into law by President Obama significantly tightening regulation of credit card companies. People had complained the credit card companies inappropriately raised interest rates, late penalties, etc. Yet, the credit card companies were not doing anything illegal. Their interest rate and late penalty policies were consistently made available for any consumer who decided to sign up (and read the small print). Nobody held a gun to folk’s heads and forced them to use the credit cards, pay their bills late, or run up too much debt. Somebody, however, decided the injuries (the systemic dysfunction) were too great. Somebody said “ENOUGH”!<br /><br />(continued below)Blessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-2252208738273925032009-05-23T12:01:14.021-07:002009-05-23T12:01:14.021-07:00Sure thing!
As it is, I'm working Job 2 right now...Sure thing!<br /><br />As it is, I'm working Job 2 right now at home. Job 3 happens tomorrow. I have a guest arriving...sometime...girl never called! Buh, what was I thinking. Had to take a migraine med. I'm a little fuzzy right now. Wearing cranberry ice with Aromaleigh's color "fox" which is a shimmery pinky beige. They actually make a pretty natural look together. <br /><br />Well...time to eat a snack and get back to work.Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05501193997219416369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-63865587505426530952009-05-22T18:13:56.957-07:002009-05-22T18:13:56.957-07:00o/t - with Miranda's love of makeup and natural ab...o/t - with Miranda's love of makeup and natural ability with techniques and her personality even just over the internet, I honestly believe if she hadn't been frontloaded with too much product and (unnecessary product) for her demographics and potential customer base, she may have still been a hobby or part time level consultant. <br /><br />She had a bad MK experience but she looks back, she can see what happened and she is not blaming the Company or all those associated with MK. She also kept an open mind and will give you her true opinion of MK products. <br /><br />I just want to tell you "thank you!"mk4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14992824203382935206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-74166196694630521362009-05-22T18:05:22.328-07:002009-05-22T18:05:22.328-07:00Had a few minutes and don't know if this is going ...Had a few minutes and don't know if this is going to read as it would sound (or any where near what I am trying to express) but I am going to give it a try. <br /><br />Blessed, I have seen a few woman exploited that were in MK by another individual. But, I have seen people exploited every where else too including in church. But I do not see an entity exploiting, I see an individual doing it. If you apply your logic, than are you going to compare your (or anyone's) church (or religion or faith) to porn? <br /><br />Here is what might be taken wrong... (no matter how you feel about porn) but if it isn't illegal... I can choose not to watch it, buy it, support it, participate in it, etc.... but I don't see that it exploites woman ... or if it does than I see that it exploits woman and also exploits men (unless it is a same gender movie) - Think about it.... most porn stars are willing participants and if they are "big stars" getting big bucks. If they choose to act in this venue - because it will pay them big bucks or because they actually enjoy it, it is there choice - how is that exploiting them?*<br /><br />How than because there may be one or two victims of any endeavor does that make the whole thing bad? - Many medicines have side effects... they can save many, many lives or help people get healthy but I am sure they have also caused harmful side effects perhaps even death on a rare few. Should all medicines with any possible side effects be banned? Or does the good outweigh the bad?<br /><br />and I am still insulted that as a woman my brain has been compared to that of an insect. <br /><br />I thought our brain is what separated us from other species?<br /><br />*(I am only referring to legal adults in states that it is legal)- please don't take it to any other level.mk4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14992824203382935206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-14777617475309516562009-05-22T12:17:00.746-07:002009-05-22T12:17:00.746-07:00I will be back but if I don't get out the door I w...I will be back but if I don't get out the door I will be late for an appointment but Blessed... please are you comparing a woman's brain to that of an insect???? uggg... I am crushed! ;)mk4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14992824203382935206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-56291633463872760372009-05-22T12:07:17.239-07:002009-05-22T12:07:17.239-07:00Mk4me, you are blessed with admirable wisdom (and ...Mk4me, you are blessed with admirable wisdom (and so are you Dave).<br /><br />So then, is “Enriching Women’s Lives” that much less of a stretch than “Exploiting Woman...”? Maybe it’s the whole pornography thing, too distasteful perhaps? But tell me, have you never seen a women exploited by the MK MLM? <br /><br />I remember as a kid growing up, ‘bout mid August, during the hot summer nights, we’d sit on the back porch and watch the sparks fly from the electronic bug zapper as the insects seemed to aimlessly fly to their own demise, one after the other (sometimes in large groups). I don’t remember any of the other bugs forcing them into the zapper, no, none of ‘em held little guns to the heads of the others and forced them into the zapper. I do think I recall, though, some of the bugs watching the crowd of bugs flying into the zapper were wearing gaudy business suits with little cut-out slots in the back for their wings. The ones watching applauded and smiled endlessly as all the others were flying headstrong toward the shock of their lives. Yea, it’s amazing where daydreams can take ya as you kick back during some vacation time on a long holiday weekend. <br /><br />So Dave, I suppose you’re just not gonna share anything about whatever happened to prompt your withdraw from the debate, or can you tell us what caused you to seemingly take a step or two back? <br /><br />And le’me see if I’ve got this right.... You told your wonderful wife my most recent deep thoughts were nothing but “BS”? Dave... I’m crushed! Com’on, even you can admit that not everything I utter is “BS,” can’t ya? <br /><br />BlessedBlessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227784384874496104noreply@blogger.com