tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post1960672804786956853..comments2023-10-14T05:42:23.964-07:00Comments on The Truth About Mary Kay: Are ALL Mary Kay ladies scary?Jon Bironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-47326726856041965682008-08-04T14:16:00.000-07:002008-08-04T14:16:00.000-07:00I thought it, Nina, but didn't want to be the one ...I thought it, Nina, but didn't want to be the one to say it. Bravo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-63564984369573892442008-08-04T10:44:00.000-07:002008-08-04T10:44:00.000-07:00What I see about LOL's comments (and posts and com...What I see about LOL's comments (and posts and comments from over there") is, well, many things. Just my observations, of course.<BR/><BR/> - the sheer hypocrisy. Everyone else has to follow the rules except them. Also, they can be insulting to others but how dare anyone insult them. They don't show compassion but by golly we'd better be showing massive amounts of compassion. <BR/><BR/> - bending the rules to suit their desires of the moment. Makes me wonder if this is what so many of the anti-MKers did while in MK. Ok, so it's clear from comments "over there" that this is exactly what they did in MK. <BR/><BR/> - In my book insulting one's mental difficulties is just as bad as insulting one's physical difficulties. Maybe even worse. <BR/><BR/> - Oh, and here's a biggie! "Outing" people. To bring to this blog something from another blog, as LOL did with Praying4Courage, is OUTING. To use Dave's screen name from another blog here is OUTING. <BR/><BR/> - Blog rules. PT has her blog rules and all are expected to follow them. Or be banned. It's all okay for PT to have her blog rules. But, oh boy howdy, how dare any even remotely pro-MK blog have rules and expect it's commenters to abide by those rules! Let me amend that to include any blog and/or blog/group owner that TC (and her PTers) does not approve of.<BR/><BR/>LOL should be banned from this blog. Period. Just my opinion, naturally. :)<BR/><BR/>I am so sick of the anti-MKers' hypocrisy. Double standard. "Pro-clarity" my foot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-89326033885994078892008-08-04T08:22:00.000-07:002008-08-04T08:22:00.000-07:00People, please learn the rules before commenting h...People, please learn the rules before commenting here. If you're going to make a comment about the psychological issues about someone, it's only acceptable to do so about Pink Truth members. No comments about anyone else, okay? We only allow poking fun at PT members.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-14257185937865506022008-08-03T21:24:00.000-07:002008-08-03T21:24:00.000-07:00Okay, maybe I shouldn't do this, but I'm going to ...Okay, maybe I shouldn't do this, but I'm going to jump in on this one. LOL has offended me on so many levels I can hardly see straight.<BR/><BR/>He or she obviously has zero knowledge of the mental health system if he or she simply assumes that all people with mental health issues are disqualified to have opinions on anything. It's people like LOL that perpetuate the stereotypes that exist with mental illnesses.<BR/><BR/>MK4ME is right. We don't make fun of cancer survivors or diabetics. But for some reason many people believe that people with mental health challenges are less than human, stupid, lazy, and chronic whiners, to name a few stereotypes.<BR/><BR/>In my experience, which is vast, they are none of those things. In fact, some of the greatest minds were also some of the most tortured minds. My experience is vast because when I was a little girl, my mom was diagnosed as bipolar only then it was called "manic depression." And I've helped keep her together since I was about 6 - over 30 years. Today, she's probably closer to Schizoaffective Disorder. She attempted suicide when I was 20, 3 days before my sibling graduated high school. She's been hospitalized numerous times for her psychological issues. <BR/><BR/>And I've personally experienced LOTS of discrimination when people learn of my mom's challenges and all I do to help her. She's neither stupid nor lazy. In fact, she's more of a visionary. She can see solutions to problems long before others realize the probles exist. She's also the person you'd want in a crisis.<BR/><BR/>Praying4Courage - you don't owe anyone here or anywhere else an explanation, but I congratulate you for sharing your story. I know it's not easy.<BR/><BR/>LOL - you owe Praying4Courage a HUGE apology, along with everyone else on this board you offended. And that list seems to keep growing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-64756913603561217992008-08-03T18:20:00.000-07:002008-08-03T18:20:00.000-07:00I hope I dont offend anyone by saying this (oh by ...I hope I dont offend anyone by saying this (oh by the way praying for courage you are brave I commend you for your comments) I used to WISH I had ADD or some type of mental illness (yrs ago) because it seemed like these people were highly successful! I still wish I were a perfectionist I like those types of people. My only quirk if you will is I constantly look in my bag KNOWING whatever Im looking for is there but I still look. I also cant go anywhere without a pen I like to bring pens with me, if I go in the drugstore I have to buy a PILOT fine tip pen, I feel inadequate without one. I love to write maybe thats it. Someone told me a long time ago women with problems make good MK directors (I dont believe that) but I can see how some of that can be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-68306377861188147672008-08-03T17:49:00.000-07:002008-08-03T17:49:00.000-07:00Also, for anyone who may be shocked at the idea of...Also, for anyone who may be shocked at the idea of being hospitalized for mental illness - I'm sure I was "this close" to being hospitalized myself from being physically and mentally exhausted during {the perfect storm". The person close to me has been hospitalized twice and I know another person through work whose mother recently checked in (at doctor's suggestions) to have her meds adjusted over a few days. I feel our society still has a long way to go over understanding mental illness and just wanted to add some additional comments to this subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-15966311509978140642008-08-03T17:43:00.000-07:002008-08-03T17:43:00.000-07:00One more thing-- you must be really interested in ...One more thing-- you must be really interested in myself and David to spend time searching for message boards that we post on using the same or different names. I can't help but wonder why you would take the time to do that or why we are so fascinating...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-90145137481833231062008-08-03T17:42:00.000-07:002008-08-03T17:42:00.000-07:00Praying4Courage - you are a real gem of a person. ...Praying4Courage - you are a real gem of a person. I just read your last post. I want to give you a big hug. I wanted to speak up too and let LOL know that their comments are very unkind. I have struggled with depression for the past four years, thanks to the "perfect storm" - breakup of first marriage, discovering first husband was a real piece of work, and having work performance issues (after being a high performer for years) stemming from being a Type A overachiever perfectionist (always doing, never being). I am finishing up being weaned off Effexor (which can be a real fun time). I also have someone close to me who is manic depressive and will be on medication for the rest of their life. So, LOL (what a name) if you laugh out loud at mental illness, that is really, really sad. I will pray for you. You need to learn compassion for other people. Hope you don't have to learn it the hard way like I did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-15360474911317053872008-08-03T17:29:00.000-07:002008-08-03T17:29:00.000-07:00David and Mk4Me I appreciate that both of you stoo...David and Mk4Me I appreciate that both of you stood up for me. I do use this screen name on several other sites on the internet and because of that I should know that what I say on one site can follow to another. Because this has come up I am just going to clear the air and be honest with everyone. I am not ashamed to say that I do have a mental illness. My illness is called Schizoaffective Disorder. For those who are not familiar with the term it means that I have a mood disorder (Bipolar Disorder type II) combined with the major aspects of Schizophrenia. Some people may want to jump to considering everything I say and have said to being questionable (best word I could come up with) because there are many who fail to understand mental illness. As a result I am going to tell you a bit more about myself and my disease. Two and a half years ago (age 20) I was very ill and even spent an extended period of time in the hospital. I learned there how to manage my disease. I am 23 now and I am very functional on medication. I am a full time student. I live in the dorms during the school year. I attend a private college with a competitive reputation and I have been deans list every semester. I volunteer with a mental health agency that sends me into county jails to do needs assessments of inmates. I excell in psychology and the mental health field because I know what its like to go through mental illness. I've been there and I've fought my way back. When I tell people about my illness (even people who have known me for a while and have worked with me) they are usually shocked. "Lol" I dont' know who you are but it was a low blow to bring my mental health to to table. However, I am a healthy enough person that I'm not going to leave over it. I'm afraid that you are not going to get the response you want from me. I know who I am and I am not ashamed of myself. I hope you can say the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-82976040740985401122008-08-03T16:32:00.000-07:002008-08-03T16:32:00.000-07:00lol,I would just like to point out, that you can (...lol,<BR/><BR/>I would just like to point out, that you can (if you would like) respond to the things that have just been addressed to you.<BR/><BR/>I let your comments stand, mk4me has responded, you can (if you care to) respond to the things she has mentioned.<BR/><BR/>She has said that she was diagnosed ADHD. That happened here. If you would care to discuss that here, you can.<BR/><BR/>She said that she feels you are being mean, if you would like to defend that, you can.<BR/><BR/>She is referring to your comments <B>here</B>, her comment is <B>here</B>, so you can talk about it <B>here</B>.<BR/><BR/>I hope you see the difference.Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-47355474930123114662008-08-03T14:51:00.000-07:002008-08-03T14:51:00.000-07:00Before David has a chance to reprimand me, I am so...Before David has a chance to reprimand me, I am sorry if my above post offends anyone (except lol). When I read her posts, and I managed to catch it before David deleted it, everyone of my buttons was pushed. I wrote fast and hit submit without so much as a second thought. I should have perhaps taken a step back, vented and calmed down, but I didn't and it stands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-34742069555995519602008-08-03T14:46:00.000-07:002008-08-03T14:46:00.000-07:00Wow, excuse, me but busy or not, I can't let this ...Wow, excuse, me but busy or not, I can't let this fly without putting in my two cents. <BR/><BR/>Schizophrenia is a illness, just like, cancer, diabetes, or anything else, treated with medication, it is quite manageable. Having any mental illness does not make someone less of a person. And if you feel it does (than in my opinion) that makes you less of a person. <BR/><BR/>I would think that one who has experienced cancer and the said effects of the treatment and how to deal with it would have more to offer than one who has not. Someone with diabetes needs their insulin, it deoesn't make them less of a person. Maybe praying4courage loves pschy because it can help her understand what she has and how to help others. <BR/><BR/>Okay, on my soap box here but "LOL", you didn't use that as a description, you used it to be hurtful. You really should hang your head low and be ashamed of yourself. Egads, if you can't play nice here, go post on pt, many will chuckle at your insults, the others won't comment for fear of getting band. <BR/><BR/>praying4courage, please don't let a big old meaney run you off. <BR/><BR/>Wow, ok "lol" make fun of me too?? I have diagnosed ADHD - wow, take a shot at that one. (PS - doctors say it was never diagnosed as a child because of the high iq I happen to be blessed with, I learned coping mechanisms. <BR/><BR/>What's next the children the ride the "short bus"?<BR/><BR/>And our host is David Shephard, quite frankly I don't care if he uses another name on another blog, it is still America and he can call himself Cinderella if he so desires. Since you seem all high and mighty, why don't you just post with your real name or the name you use on the other blogs you post on? <BR/><BR/>You do not seem to be a very nice person at all. <BR/><BR/>Once again this post is my opinion only not fact. <BR/><BR/>May I suggest that from an outside very point I could diagnose many on PT as OCD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-41577189021116468732008-08-03T14:25:00.000-07:002008-08-03T14:25:00.000-07:00lol,look, there is a difference between saying, "I...lol,<BR/><BR/>look, there is a difference between saying, "I think the Pink Truth board offers an interesting psychological study" (which could also be said of this site, I think!!) and calling someone a schizophrenic.<BR/><BR/>On this site, I am David. On this site, Praying is whatever she has declared. For the purpose of discussion that everyone can follow and benefit from, we "keep it simple".<BR/><BR/>I am not sure what else to tell you. <BR/><BR/>If you don't let this go, I am going to have to delete all the comments again.<BR/><BR/>If she had called someone else schizophrenic, I would have deleted her comment as well.<BR/><BR/>If she had said on this site that she was schizophrenic, I would have allowed your comment.<BR/><BR/>But as it stands, she did not (on either count) and so her comment stays, yours is deleted.<BR/><BR/>Sorry if you feel this is unfair, but I have now spent more time on this than I feel is worth, and I will have to allow you to continue believing me to be partial!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-57068286656906053712008-08-03T14:13:00.000-07:002008-08-03T14:13:00.000-07:00I'm calling you Jon because that's your name. And ...I'm calling you Jon because that's your name. And if Praying is going to talk about psychoanalyzing people here, then it only seems fair that her psychological issues should be discussed as well. You're all for open communication and letting voices be heard, right? If it's appropriate for her to talk about the psychological status of others, then it would only seem appropriate that her status is to be discussed too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-76559934456521713052008-08-03T14:08:00.000-07:002008-08-03T14:08:00.000-07:00LOL,I am sure that you are talking to me when you ...LOL,<BR/><BR/>I am sure that you are talking to me when you say "jon" because I post as Jon on another site.<BR/><BR/>I am sure that it is possible that praying4courage refers to herself as schizophrenic on another site.<BR/><BR/>But this is not those sites.<BR/><BR/>If you would like to refer to me as "Jon", do so on the site where I refer to myself as "Jon"<BR/><BR/>If you would like to comment on praying4courage's schizophrenia, do so on the site where she mentions it.<BR/><BR/>All things in context... do you understand?<BR/><BR/>I did not "inadvertently" delete your other comments.<BR/><BR/>This has nothing to do with "letting all voices be heard".<BR/><BR/>This has to do with the fact that you are talking about things that did not originate here, have no business being discussed here, serve no benefit to the conversation we are having here, and so (as far as I am concerned) are nothing more than spam.<BR/><BR/>I do not allow spam.<BR/><BR/>If you can't understand this, I will simply apologize now, and reassure you that your comments will continue to be deleted.<BR/><BR/>Got it?Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-81229067277689864892008-08-03T13:58:00.000-07:002008-08-03T13:58:00.000-07:00Hi Jon - You must have inadvertently deleted my ot...Hi Jon - You must have inadvertently deleted my other comments. Praying4courage has stated on several other sites that she is schizophrenic, which makes it a little ironic that she's interested in psychoanalyzing others. Please leave my comments up this time, Jon. You always say you're so interested in letting all voices be heard. Let mine be heard too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-87376517179133303922008-08-02T15:36:00.000-07:002008-08-02T15:36:00.000-07:00Thanks for your replies to my post. Mk4Me- I wond...Thanks for your replies to my post. <BR/>Mk4Me- I wonder sometimes if I am going to burn out. I'm working on my BA right now and am planning to get my MSW after this. I was going to go for a PhD or a PsyD but what I want to actually do is more like a MSW's job so that seems to be the direction I'm heading. Hopefully I'll get through it all without burn out!<BR/>LOL we should start a thread for the psychoanalysis (speculation of course) of the PT members ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-28823664495049367672008-08-02T11:38:00.000-07:002008-08-02T11:38:00.000-07:00Anonymous if you are a director and want to share ...Anonymous if you are a director and want to share with us Im sure David wont mind if you post anymous or put something like anonymous director....LOL We appreciate your input and you seem like an honest person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-48537215055444485302008-08-01T21:15:00.000-07:002008-08-01T21:15:00.000-07:00Hey all, sorry, posts will be coming, things are e...Hey all, sorry, posts will be coming, things are exploding in a good way!!!<BR/><BR/>but praying4courage, I minored in psych too, was my major until my professor told me I would burn out before I ever earned enough money to pay for my schooling, I would burn out and be looking for another career. So that went to a minor and accounting/business went to the major!!<BR/><BR/>Love reading pt for the very same reason, studying the thought processes of others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-82608911891892486272008-07-31T18:58:00.000-07:002008-07-31T18:58:00.000-07:00Praying4Courage, I, too, would like to welcome you...Praying4Courage, I, too, would like to welcome you. I like your psych stuff, I'm not the least bit offended. I don't think anyone here will be offended.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you're here, but most of all I'm glad you've found your, ah, ah-hum, balance. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-3227059343738016662008-07-31T17:11:00.000-07:002008-07-31T17:11:00.000-07:00Praying4Courage - Welcome and thank you for your h...Praying4Courage - Welcome and thank you for your honest and insightful sharing. I am sorry you had such a horrible experience - both in MK and on PT. The only thing I can say is that going through tough times will only make you a stronger and better person in the end and it certainly sounds like that has happened for you. I agree with your psychology "read" on what is going on over there in "PT Land". Lemmings going over a cliff (not just hamsters on a wheel) just came to mind (sorry that just slipped out!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-87259275722478429862008-07-31T09:58:00.000-07:002008-07-31T09:58:00.000-07:00Welcome praying4courage, glad to have you join us....Welcome praying4courage, glad to have you join us. <BR/><BR/>Sorry about your experience but thank you for you candor. <BR/><BR/>If you get a chance read back over some of the older posts, there is some really good stuff here, of course we also have some silly and fun stuff too. (Can't be all serious and business-like, ya know!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-62191272631180252932008-07-30T22:06:00.000-07:002008-07-30T22:06:00.000-07:00It has taken me a few days to read through all of ...It has taken me a few days to read through all of these comments and finally make my way to the bottom of the list. Having personally gone through several phases of feelings about MK I feel that I might have something to add to the conversation. I was recruited by a hotshot who was trying to get her car and do DIQ when she had only been with MK for a month. She started out with a huge investment. Between inventory and section 2 and business accessories such as the rolling bag to put her inventory in her intital investment was around $9000. I came in with an initial inventory of just $200 but within a month had moved up to star status and not because I was selling anything. More about that later. So I started out really excited about MK. I was sure it was going to change my life. Problem being I didnt' manage my money well and I didn't get out there and do the work I needed to do and I was dealing with other things in my life. I blame nobody but myself for the fact that I didnt' make money. I do feel like I was pushed to keep ordering but no one actually forced me into any of it. I typed in the credit card number. Eventually I decided to send all of my inventory back and I became very bitter towards MK. I posted on "that other site" regularly and I fell into negative thinking patterns. The thing is I am a nice person and so I started trying to defend the people there who were being attacked and so I got booted off the site because I wasn't anti-mk enough for them. As a side note it is interesting how they complain that MK doesnt' allow opinions other than theirs to be shared while they are doing the same thing... but thats not my point here. Getting kicked off that site was good for me. So glad it happened because it led me here. I feel now like I am not bitter anymore. I would not recommend MK to someone as a good way to make a steady income. But I also dont' think the company is evil or needs to be sued or shut down. I am convinced that like any other group of people in the world there are good and bad people in the group. Generalizing about an entire group based on the actions of individuals is never helpful for anyone. And, in terms of my feelings toward what they say "over there" my honest opinion is that they have an inflated sense of their own importance in the eyes of MK. They have not left behind who they were in MK, they have simply moved to a different scene. The same hierarchy is still in place. As a psych student I actually kind of find it fascinating. (sorry if that is offensive to anyone)<BR/>Oh and in case anyone was wondering I'm out of MK as is the hotshot who recruited me and our director has stepped down and is now a IBC again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-44935343743643593302008-07-29T11:53:00.000-07:002008-07-29T11:53:00.000-07:00David -- I am the anon from yesterday talking abou...David -- I am the anon from yesterday talking about the email sent to my unit. Unfortunately, I deleted it immediately. But, it was a one-liner saying something to the effect of "... to find out the real truth about the new products you won't find on InTouch, go here (insert was address for PT)." That was it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the welcome, but I won't be blogging if have to get a username (am paranoid about using my email anywhere after that last one). But, I appreciate the invite and will continue reading your great blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-337466864708493532008-07-28T10:08:00.000-07:002008-07-28T10:08:00.000-07:00A few quick things--Wouldn't it be funny if so...A few quick things--<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be funny if some of the consultants or MK "newbies" on that other site who are complaining about their manipulative, lying directors, were in the units of the ex- or current directors who post over there about their own lying, deceptive practices? Hahahaha. Hope you can understand that statement.<BR/>Also, I recently returned from Seminar, and in one of my classes (for consultants & sr. consultants in MK 0-2 yrs) they taught about different legalities in MK. Of course they covered MK in salons, MK displays, etc., but they also talked about recruiting--the WRONG way to recruit (exaggerations, generalities, etc.) It was really good. MK Corporate knows sometimes consultants are either lying, or misinformed, or just plain confused. That's why they addressed it.<BR/>Another note--I was so relieved to hear our #1 NSD in my division address the economy, and the hard times. Before Seminar, I thought, if they don't mention it, they really are burying their heads in the sand. But the NSD's first speech talked about the economy, and the supposed recession, and it wasn't just rah rah Think Pink, have a positive attitude. There was a little bit of that, but also some other insightful points. She pointed out that many times, we hear or see or notice something, and then look for evidence to back it up. That's so true! She also talked about how many of the top directors and NSDs who have been in MK 20, 30 years, were building their businesses in the late 80s, early 90s, when there was another mild panic in the economy--gas was up, etc. We think it's all something new and use it as an excuse, but we need to have a reality check.<BR/>Anyway, just some interesting things I thought I'd add.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com