tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post1483780544082738923..comments2023-10-14T05:42:23.964-07:00Comments on The Truth About Mary Kay: Of Mice and Car DealershipsJon Bironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-29967163239200750892007-12-21T04:18:00.000-08:002007-12-21T04:18:00.000-08:00MKHonesty, I am definately talking about my direct...MKHonesty, I am definately talking about my director and NSD. I have called corporate about some of the things I have experienced. I don't know how much man power they can put into complaints. I don't think my experience was illegal so I don't know how much they do about directors and nationals being complete beasts. But it would seem if they have a complaint that some of the higher ups in their company are not acting in harmony with their slogan God first, family second, career third and enriching women's lives, then they would step in a little more readily.<BR/><BR/>Even having the examples of those on this site doing MK the right way, I have a hard time trusting this company. I can't imagine that I am the only one that feels this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-6743728960415984862007-12-21T01:06:00.000-08:002007-12-21T01:06:00.000-08:00mk4me,I can't reveal whether or not I can see your...mk4me,<BR/><BR/>I can't reveal whether or not I can see your IP address, because that would take the fun out of making Pink Truth users guess whether or not I can see when they come to visit!<BR/><BR/>I will say that I know a lot more about some of them than they think.<BR/><BR/>thanks for the brownie points... do they get shipped here in the form of real brownies?<BR/><BR/>I have not been snowmobiling in YEARS!!!<BR/><BR/>I may go snowboarding/skiing with my family this year.<BR/><BR/>Heading to NJ for 1 week on Sunday. So excited!<BR/><BR/>Are there many Amish where you are? I really thought the primary concentration of them was in Lancaster.<BR/><BR/>Don't worry too much about your IP address. The main things you have to worry about are that your computer is secure and that you don't give out your personal information on/in unsecured areas.<BR/><BR/>For instance, posting comments on my site is out there for the whole world to see. I would not recommend anyone leaving any personal information in the comments on this site.<BR/><BR/>I don't consider the city/area you are from as being to personal, so what we are talking about here is fine!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for letting us get to know you and although we will probably not "see" each other, I will be in your neck of the woods in a few days!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-10998225878512823212007-12-21T00:52:00.000-08:002007-12-21T00:52:00.000-08:00oh and 2 brownie points for Daveand 2 brownie poin...oh and 2 brownie points for Dave<BR/>and 2 brownie points for shades for<BR/>being so close...<BR/><BR/>by the way, I wouldn't tell you exactly where just cuz I like having a little mystery surrounding me. :)<BR/><BR/>Yes, we have snow but not enough to get the snowmobiles out yet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-60053105441966053592007-12-20T22:11:00.000-08:002007-12-20T22:11:00.000-08:00You guy's are good. I am close to "Jersey Shore" ...You guy's are good. I am close to "Jersey Shore" but not on the Jersey Shore, I am a Penn State fan now but was brought up a (VERY PROUD) Air Force Brat all over the world!<BR/><BR/>I am not computer smart at all but can you tell where we are from our isp's are whatever those computer address are??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-32554358515697497892007-12-20T19:58:00.000-08:002007-12-20T19:58:00.000-08:00Judi, you said: "Car dealerships and other compani...Judi, you said: <BR/><BR/>"Car dealerships and other companies to not claim to be enriching anyone's lives. I think that is why MK is such a sore subject to some. They claim to enrich women's lives, put God first. Then you hear about so many higher ups who are doing anything but that. I expected more out of corporate."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Judi, would you please explain or cite the reference for your last two sentences. Are you referring to actions by directors, NSD's or MK corporate officers?<BR/><BR/>Thank You.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-26254228578624531592007-12-20T15:38:00.000-08:002007-12-20T15:38:00.000-08:00You got me. I'm in the Cleveland area. :)You got me. I'm in the Cleveland area. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-36555942336313717452007-12-20T13:54:00.000-08:002007-12-20T13:54:00.000-08:00Also could beSeattle (not likely)Tampa Bay (not li...Also could be<BR/><BR/>Seattle (not likely)<BR/>Tampa Bay (not likely)<BR/>New York (possibly)<BR/>San Diego (would be close to me, but also not likely)Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-82448225609453444802007-12-20T13:51:00.000-08:002007-12-20T13:51:00.000-08:00Hmmm,Cleveland Rocks; Cleveland Rocks?Hmmm,<BR/><BR/>Cleveland Rocks; Cleveland Rocks?Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-63723876607184686702007-12-20T13:02:00.000-08:002007-12-20T13:02:00.000-08:00Amish buggies...hmm...I'm going to take a wild gue...Amish buggies...hmm...I'm going to take a wild guess at MK4ME's whereabouts...my guess is Volant, PA. I think that's the right town. It's in or near Amish country. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-40710139888636517942007-12-20T12:50:00.000-08:002007-12-20T12:50:00.000-08:00Nope, not Philly. There is another city that absol...Nope, not Philly. There is another city that absolutely DESPISES the Pittsburgh Steelers. ;) I believe their records are tied right now...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-84752750420150230682007-12-20T12:19:00.000-08:002007-12-20T12:19:00.000-08:00Oh wait, theres also;Raiders fansCowboy fansBrowns...Oh wait, theres also;<BR/><BR/>Raiders fans<BR/>Cowboy fans<BR/>Browns fans<BR/>Packers fans<BR/><BR/><BR/>I guess I have no idea where you are from!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-46229538939630970992007-12-20T12:17:00.000-08:002007-12-20T12:17:00.000-08:00Shades,you must live in Philly.No one hates the St...Shades,<BR/><BR/>you must live in Philly.<BR/><BR/>No one hates the Steelers more than Eagles fans!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-85711672702821603932007-12-20T12:16:00.000-08:002007-12-20T12:16:00.000-08:00mk4me,Hmmm... your clues are less than helpful.It ...mk4me,<BR/><BR/>Hmmm... your clues are less than helpful.<BR/><BR/>It is not possible that you live near Pittsburgh AND Beaver Stadium AND Lancaster.<BR/><BR/>I say Lancaster because coming from your ghetto neighbor to the east (New Jersey), the only parts of PA that we are familiar with are "Jersey Shore", Philly and "that place with all the Amish people. (I exaggerate slightly, because many "Jersey folk" actually live in PA - Bethlehem, Allentown, East Stroudsburg.. to name a few)<BR/><BR/>So, I am sure that my narrow minded assumption that Lancaster is the only place to find the Amish should be the first thing to toss. So there goes all the "fun" places you could be from... I.E. "Bird in Hand, PA - Intercourse, PA - Overlook, PA - Slackwater, PA.<BR/><BR/>I am not very familiar with Pittsburgh, but it does not seem like it would be a very attractive haven for the Amish and so is probably not you either.<BR/><BR/>So I am going to say that if you grew up enjoying JoePa, you probably live close to the Nittany Lions. As I mentioned, I LOVE the irony of there being a "Jersey Shore" in Pennsylvania (no where near Jersey or the ocean) And Jersey Shore is only about an hour from Beaver Stadium sooo..<BR/><BR/>Final Answer. In or around Jersey Shore.<BR/><BR/>Close?<BR/><BR/>Other answers would be amongst the things discussed above! Do I get a prize for "mentioning" it?Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-67982857198118820952007-12-20T07:48:00.000-08:002007-12-20T07:48:00.000-08:00mk4me-- I was also very upset when the Steelers lo...mk4me-- I was also very upset when the Steelers lost to Jacksonville, but I could get hurt wearing Steelers gear in my town. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-3502158151866070572007-12-19T22:05:00.000-08:002007-12-19T22:05:00.000-08:00David, tell you what, you never did tell us where ...David, tell you what, you never did tell us where that picture was from that you posted ages ago, I am still patiently waiting for the answer. <BR/><BR/>Now I will give you a clue.. I am in the North East but not in New England. I have almost been late getting some place because I have had to follow Amish buggies and I was really upset when the Steelers lost to Jacksonville last weekend and do you know who Joe Paterno is?<BR/><BR/>Can you guess??<BR/><BR/>You will get two brownie points!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-76409851803861494992007-12-19T21:25:00.000-08:002007-12-19T21:25:00.000-08:00Shades,Come on down!!!It was cold here today too.....Shades,<BR/><BR/>Come on down!!!<BR/><BR/>It was cold here today too.... low 60's dontyaknow!<BR/><BR/>I lurv me some So Cal weather, but can't wait to get in that sub-zero, lung-freezing, brrrrrr!<BR/><BR/>Wanna trade?<BR/><BR/>Just for a week though!!!!<BR/><BR/>Then imma cruz back down here where surfing in Jan. is "the right way"!!!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-84124190041600906402007-12-19T21:20:00.000-08:002007-12-19T21:20:00.000-08:00I'm from the Northeast, too, and it is COLD here! ...I'm from the Northeast, too, and it is COLD here! I want to move SOUTH! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-29780916225673677102007-12-19T21:16:00.000-08:002007-12-19T21:16:00.000-08:00mk4me,I am from north-east originally!Email what p...mk4me,<BR/><BR/>I am from north-east originally!<BR/><BR/>Email what part (if you want)... I will be traveling there for the holidays and CAN'T WAIT for the nice cold weather and hopefully some snow!!! <BR/><BR/>Although I am sure you are sick of it!!Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-9776019734298084782007-12-19T21:07:00.000-08:002007-12-19T21:07:00.000-08:00Judi,You said;"Car dealerships and other companies...Judi,<BR/><BR/>You said;<BR/><BR/>"Car dealerships and other companies to not claim to be enriching anyone's lives. I think that is why MK is such a sore subject to some. They claim to enrich women's lives, put God first. Then you hear about so many higher ups who are doing anything but that. I expected more out of corporate."<BR/><BR/>On the one hand, I would agree with this being a problem if Mary Kay claimed to be a non-profit, but was operating as a regular corporation.<BR/><BR/>They ARE a business. They don't claim otherwise. In that context, they are a business that, as core values, attempt to honor God and enrich women's lives.<BR/><BR/>They can not force everyone that signs a contract to do either of these things. If they tried to, they would surely face lawsuits.<BR/><BR/>I believe that they (MKC) still try to uphold both of these core values. It is intriguing that so many of the women they have tried to help so vehemently reject and criticize the gesture.<BR/><BR/>They are at their core, a cosmetic manufacturing company. They COULD distribute with a standard retail model. They COULD create exclusive relationships with ONLY specific (high end or low end) retailers. But they have chosen to allow anyone that wants to the privilege of representing them.<BR/><BR/>This means that with no experience and $100, anyone can get the opportunity to start their own retail cosmetics business.<BR/><BR/>Is that the best way to distribute a product? I really don't know.<BR/><BR/>On the one hand, you get to be a huge blessing to many women.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, you take a lot of flack from critics. Placing the marketing of your product in the hands of 700,000 people in America is pretty risky.<BR/><BR/>And in the extreme, misrepresentation of your company devastates the lives of some women.<BR/><BR/>It seems a little unreasonable to "expect more" from MKC.<BR/><BR/>I think it is safe to say that they could drop the whole MLM thing, sell to retail joints, use the current commission structure for "traditional advertising" and do just fine. But what about all the women that have come to love their Mary Kay business?<BR/><BR/>It is a very interesting subject to get into, but simply put, it is unfair to just say you "expect more".Jon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-5630706128640080502007-12-19T19:00:00.000-08:002007-12-19T19:00:00.000-08:00For all interested, just in case anyone has questi...For all interested, just in case anyone has question it, STRT and <BR/>MK4ME are two seperate directors and... as far as I know we do not know each other! <BR/><BR/>Strange, that 2 directors sound exactly alike but we don't know each other and I am sure we probably come from different parts of the Country. I am from the North East, how about you STRT??<BR/><BR/>So maybe the stories on pt sound like all the same stories but let's look back on this site in a year and see how many success stories all sound the same. "We become like those you hang around with" is a statement that as alot of truth to it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-88156245715618992852007-12-19T10:55:00.000-08:002007-12-19T10:55:00.000-08:00ditto MK4ME's postditto MK4ME's postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-11325944706098661332007-12-18T12:44:00.000-08:002007-12-18T12:44:00.000-08:00For me it is true, Mary Kay has truly enriched my ...For me it is true, Mary Kay has truly enriched my life. Fact. My truth. Also I know that I have helped many other women. Different ways and different reasons but yes, also enriched lives. So it is a true statement. It just may not apply to 100% of the populations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-1050408864456463272007-12-18T06:50:00.000-08:002007-12-18T06:50:00.000-08:00Car dealerships and other companies to not claim t...Car dealerships and other companies to not claim to be enriching anyone's lives. I think that is why MK is such a sore subject to some. They claim to enrich women's lives, put God first. Then you hear about so many higher ups who are doing anything but that. I expected more out of corporate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-20060533657437981702007-12-18T05:11:00.000-08:002007-12-18T05:11:00.000-08:00Over at PT they are claiming corporate didnt give ...Over at PT they are claiming corporate didnt give time to make the changes they let us know this was coming months ago!!! I think they gave plenty of time on the color changes and packaging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1716666792083573252.post-55683380602942187282007-12-17T23:15:00.000-08:002007-12-17T23:15:00.000-08:00It does make you go hmmmmmm!It makes me feel a lit...It does make you go hmmmmmm!<BR/><BR/>It makes me feel a little weird that I am now keeping pace with my wife on all the changes!!!<BR/><BR/>It used to be, "mmm thats nice".<BR/><BR/>Now it's, "yeah, I know".<BR/><BR/>And sometimes, "Did you know that..."!<BR/><BR/>I hope that Robin Peters makes her way over here soon!<BR/><BR/>She seems very bright and intelligent.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I get the feeling that her comment is like, "hmmm, well that does seem bad, but..."<BR/><BR/>She would make a great addition to the team over here!<BR/><BR/>I thought she was going to get the boot when she told them that most cosmetic companies adjust their colors to keep up with the current fashion season.<BR/><BR/>Robin, if you have discovered us, I would love to hear from you. I would be saying this under one of your comments on PT, but alas...<BR/><BR/>thanks mk4meJon Bironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06398467008484819674noreply@blogger.com